Times Quick Cryptic No 1632 by Izetti

Author   plusjeremyPosted on Categories Quick Cryptic

Introduction

10:04, with a full four minutes spent on 1 Across, 2 Down, and the first half of 8 Across. Could have been one of my best times, so I imagine many will find this one easy.

Solutions

Across

1 Talk about a long story! (4)
SAGA – GAS (talk) reversed (about) + A
3 A female repeatedly publicises romantic liaisons (7)
AFFAIRS – A + FF (female repeatedly) + AIRS
8 Nasty old boy turning violent [in] old constituency (6,7)
ROTTEN BOROUGH – ROTTEN (nasty) + O.B. (old boy) reversed (turning) + ROUGH (violent)
A borough with a very small electorate, having dwindled from a larger one, which would therefore enable one person or family to gain influence in the House of Commons.
9 Speak rudely to / underworld god (3)
DIS – double definition
I thought it was ‘diss’. This is Pluto, by the way.
10 My American soldier[‘s] dog (5)
CORGI – COR (my) + G.I. (American soldier)
12 Comes forward [to show] what climber must face? (5,2)
STEPS UP – double definition
14 Illegal trader avoiding jail finally [becomes] more complacent (7)
SMUGGER – SMUGGLER without last letter of JAIL
16 Artist [offering] some modern stuff (5)
ERNST – hidden in MODERN STUFF
17 A Catholic circle needs more than one (3)
ARC – A + R.C.
It has infinitely many, in fact, unless I’m misunderstanding.
20 Comment from appreciative tenant / correctly expressed (6-7)
LETTER-PERFECT – double definition
21 First half of series about writers, one writer in particular (7)
SPENSER – first half of the letters of SERIES around PENS (writers)
22 Gee — ancient [and] precious stuff (4)
GOLD – G (gee) + OLD (ancient)

Down

1 Saints admitting sin after hesitation [in] acts of worship (8)
SERVICES – SS (saints) around VICE (sin) after ER (hesitation)
This one threw me because I didn’t know S for ‘saint’, only ST.
2 Meet without hesitation [in] OT location (4)
GATH – GATHER without ER (hesitation)
Goliath’s hometown!
3 Holy woman, a Bishop Elizabeth (6)
ABBESS – A + B (bishop) + BESS (Elizabeth)
4 Supporting best performance, to be factually correct (3,3,6)
FOR THE RECORD – FOR (supporting) + THE RECORD (best performance)
5 One religious woman is performing harmoniously (2,6)
IN UNISON – I + NUN (religious woman) + IS + ON (performing)
6 Part of London oh so naughty! (4)
SOHO – OH SO anagrammed
7 Attire for important woman at the match (7,5)
WEDDING DRESS – cryptic definition
11 Way to get around hindrance [in] game (8)
ROULETTE – ROUTE around LET (hindrance)
13 Old man sheltered [and] legally protected (8)
PATENTED – PA (old man) + TENTED (sheltered)
15 Modern musician[‘s] back, turning up with two pianos included (6)
RAPPER – REAR (back) reversed (turning up) with PP (two pianos) in
18 Something advantageous [and] ritzy almost (4)
PLUS – almost all letters in PLUSH
19 Sign up [to be] sea captain (4)
NEMO – OMEN (sign) reversed (up)

81 comments on “Times Quick Cryptic No 1632 by Izetti”

  1. Easy enough; Verlaine’s under 2′. Biffed ROTTEN BOROUGH. 4:03; could have come in under 4′, but spent a few seconds proofreading.
  2. Could have come in under 2′, but wasted time carefully filling in the letters – so nine minutes!

    FOI 22ac GOLD

    LOI 2dn GATH

    COD 8a ROTTEN BOROUGH – similar to DC

    WOD 6dn SOHO

  3. I needed 8 minutes for this, including parsing (as always unless otherwise stated). Whilst solving it occurred to me that solvers with less experience might not find it so easy (with answers such as ROTTEN BOROUGHS, LETTER PERFECT, GATH and SPENSER), so it’d be a shame if they were discouraged by the extremely fast times achieved by seasoned solvers. I’m not even sure that I could fill in all the squares with random letters in 2 minutes!

    Edited at 2020-06-10 05:31 am (UTC)

    1. Agree for the random letters! It takes me 4 minutes to fill random letters for a 13x 13
    2. To be honest yes, this person sadly just comes across as a know it all trying too hard to be clever individual , did not enjoy remotely And cheated
  4. After a string of pink squares I gambled today and submitted without a proper check to sneak in under 20m, all green and below my recent average so I was happy enough until I saw I was 25th of 27 on the early leaderboard and had taken almost 5 (five) Kevins. Considered ROTTEN BOROUGH straight away but had to leave it to parse but did bung in PAN although it didn’t quite fit – but it nearly did. NHO GATH and couldn’t see SAGA until I decided it must be the answer. Also slow on LETTER PERFECT and SERVICES – I wanted STS to be enclosing a shorter and more specific VICE. Also never heard of SPENSER – internet suggests Edmund. NEMO LOI, great penny-dropping moment. Great puzzle, thoroughly enjoyed and really quite impressed others have got through it so fast!
    1. I only thought of SPENSER immediately as he has come up 2,3 maybe even 4 times in recent puzzles – none of them QC’s I think.
    2. Wrote a long poem called “The Faerie Queen”. Lots of virtuous knights, and the FQ herself, Gloriana, can be seen as a flattering portrait of Elizabeth I. It has been said that the parallels with an earlier work, “Orlando Furioso” by Ludovico Ariosto, amount to plagiarism. KevinS
  5. About 10 mins on everything except steps up, rotten borough, and LOI gath which took about another 10.

    COD letter perfect.

  6. An average 30 minutes for me. I pondered long over WEDDING DRESS, ROTTEN BOROUGH, DIS (never heard of him – oh for a classical education!), and GATH (ditto). If I had biffed SERVICES straight away (as per my instinct) I’d have got off to a flying start and would likely have finished more quickly, but I spent a long time trying to fit STS (for saints) in. So I’ve learned a couple of things this morning. An enjoyable half hour nonetheless.

    Edited at 2020-06-10 06:19 am (UTC)

  7. No time today, as interrupted by the arrival of the decorators (making tea, getting them started, etc.), but it felt quick enough to be close to 10 minutes. I liked WEDDING DRESS, NEMO and SMUGGER. Nice puzzle and blog, thanks both.
  8. Crikey, and there was I feeling mildly pleased to have conquered a stiff challenge from Izetti in 12 mins. (“Easiest Izetti ever”?? – I’ve done Izettis in less than half this time, so I think not!) At 3K this has to go down as a Bad Day, but I still really enjoyed it – his clues are so smooth. My big hold ups were ROULETTE (was looking for the wrong definition, needed all checkers); SMUGGER (I was trying to find a word with an L in it which would mean “illegal trader” once the L was removed); and GATH (which took at least 3 minutes – I think the main problem was that I have spent some time this morning reading documents about Old Tonbridgians and was completely unable to switch OTs!).

    FOI & COD SAGA (so, so neat), LOI GATH.

    Many thanks Izetti and Jeremy. (Jeremy, in the blog you have “through me” when you mean “threw me” at 1dn.)

    Templar

  9. I got 1a straightaway but 2d was my LOI by some distance.
    This was definitely not an easy Izetti unless you are a very experienced solver such as many of those who contribute here.You are always likely to learn something from Izetti’s puzzles. I have seen DIS before but hardly well known; and Gath.
    It also helped that Spenser was in a puzzle recently, not the first writer people would think of.
    I was pleased to finish in 12:54.Enjoyed it. David

  10. Monday’s offering was easy, and I submitted it in around 10 mins, which is good for me (under 20 mins tends to be my time). Then yesterday I found very difficult, giving up after 30 mins, unfinished. Now today I spent 40 mins before giving up on this puzzle, not finished. Perhaps I had a knock on the head at some point on Monday night affecting the crosswords region of the brain. Disappointing.
  11. Took a while to start then it came together very quickly – thanks Izetti and plusjeremy. I had a slight quibble with dis because like you I tend to think of it as diss – even though it is almost certainly a contraction of disrespect.
  12. I didn’t find this as easy as some, but still managed to sneak in under my target at 9:57. SAGA went in first and SERVICES brought up the rear. WEDDING DRESS didn’t jump out at me, and ROTTEN BOROUGH needed a good few crossers. Must still be half asleep! Thanks Izetti and Jeremy.
  13. I’m with bigjoemac on this one. I thought it was closer to a 15×15 in difficulty. In view of the comments above on how easy it was, I clearly need a brain scan (to see if it is still there). Double my target and a real slog. Some clever clues but, for me, the most difficult QC in months. Did any other solvers have problems? John M.
      1. Thanks. Good to know I’m not alone. It is unusual for me to have such a tortured solve. Hope it is a one-off.
    2. Yes! Dis and Gath made no sense even after explanation. I have always seen diss, never dis and gath was far too recondite for a QC IMHO. Cor for ‘me’ remains impenetrable. Never really got going. 🙁
  15. Cheated and used the blog for “plus” where I was completely baffled, that gave me completion in 31 mins. I had the strange experience of seeing some answers and then figuring out how they worked. I always try to complete the crossword even if I use aids, on the grounds then that it’s a learning exercise. By my standards a good result on an Izetti (always strikes fear and trembling into my heart when I see that name). As ever, huge thanks for the blog.
  16. I had a similar experience to our blogger in that a quick solve became not so quick because of 2d and the first word of 8a which unfortunately intersected. Perhaps if I had solved 1d SERVICES quicker then I would have trusted the wordplay. I have NHO of either GATH or ROTTEN BOROUGH. Still, 10:29 on the clock is acceptable for an Izetti. Thanks Jeremy for the blog.
    1. Are Baldrick’s efforts in Dunny-on-the-Wold forgotten so soon?
      1. I had to look that up! I’m sure I will remember it going forward now.
  17. Well, this seems to be an odd puzzle in that people have very differing opinions about its difficulty. Personally I found it about average or perhaps slightly easier than usual, certainly for an Izetti, coming in at 37:53. Last two in were 7d which allowed me to get DIS who I don’t think I’ve never heard of, and like Jeremy I thought the speaking rudely was spelt with two Ss. I was helped by having read only yesterday, given recent events, about the abolition of slavery and how the 1833 act was enabled to pass more easily because a lot of rotten boroughs had just been eliminated. Otherwise I’m not at all sure I would have remembered them at all. I suppose the fact that public GATHerings have been in the news recently made 2d a whole lot easier too. I wasn’t sure about SMUGGER meaning more complacent. I thought it just meant more pleased with oneself. NHO of SPENSER by the way. Was he good? And how is a LET a hindrance? I would have said it was almost the opposite as it allows a game to continue, although I suppose it does hold things up. COD to 6d. Thanks Izetti and Jeremy.

    Edited at 2020-06-10 10:20 am (UTC)

    1. Let – I think it is sometimes used in the sense of hindrance in legal terminology, as in “without let or hindrance”. But I’m not sure it’s much used outside that!
      Cedric
    2. It’s in every day use (or at least was before lockdown) in every British passport although I guess very few people will have actually read it:

      “Her Britannic Majesty’s Secretary of State requests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance, and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary.”

      1. Which seems to imply by the use “or” that it isn’t a hindrance!
    3. Spenser’s best-known work is “The Faerie Queen”, which is a bit reminiscent of the Morte d’Arthur: virtuous knights doing good deeds, battling enchanters etc. The Faerie Queen herself, Gloriana, is probably a flattering portrait of Queen Elizabeth I, whose favour Spenser sought. The poem itself uses nine-line stanzas and a complex rhyme pattern. It has been criticised as plagiarising several elements of an earlier Italian poem, “Orlando Furioso” by Ludovico Ariosto. KevinS
  18. Coming in at just under 18 minutes, I certainly didn’t find this as easy as some others.
    I didn’t know the underworld god DIS and hadn’t heard of GATH. I had to biff ROULETTE as I don’t see the connection between ‘let’ and ‘hindrance’ unless it refers to a let in tennis perhaps. Nor do I see the link between ‘perfect’ and ‘appreciative’.
    A MER at UNISON as this is when people all sing the same tune and wouldn’t be described as ‘harmoniously’ – ie when different parts are sung.
    Otherwise some nice touches including SMUGGER and SERVICES which were fun to work out.
    Thanks, Izetti and Jeremy.

    Edited at 2020-06-10 10:22 am (UTC)

    1. It’s not word-for-word appreciative = perfect, it’s saying that a tenant who comments that his ‘letter (is) perfect’ is being appreciative.
    2. You have to think of “in unison” and “harmoniously” in non-musical senses to get the connection.

      See responses to crispb above with regards to let, but also note that my Chambers app has “hindrance, obstruction” as a direct definition of LET (albeit noted as archaic).

      1. Absolutely right Penfold, and in the tennis sense, a LET is a service that has been hindered or obstructed by the net, so the equivalence of LET and HINDRANCE is established in all cases (except where the use of LET is intended in its alternative use to mean ‘allow’).
      2. Thanks Penfold.
        I hadn’t thought about a non-musical connection between the words but, yes, I see your point.
        Thanks also for the definition of LET. I’ll try to remember that in future.
        Have a great evening.
  19. I seem to have fallen into the middle of the difficulty divide, finishing in an average(ish) time of 12.47. Most of it went in without too many problems but I got held up at the end by SERVICES, SMUGGER, WEDDING DRESS and DIS in that order, with each one feeling as if it had to be prised out of Izetti’s vice like grip. Much to enjoy along the way with NEMO being my favourite.
    Thanks to jeremy
  20. … and today was one, with a sub 8 minute solve. It makes up for the many many times when I struggle slowly to the finishing line, only to find here everyone commenting how easy it was!

    No holdups, and only the most minor of MERs at 9A Dis – like others I had rather assumed that the word was Diss (like the town in Norfolk). But then I realised it is a modern creation and I may never have seen it written at all before.

    13D “Old man sheltered” very appropriate for the last few months, and on my mind as we tend my 85-year-old father-in-law and do his shopping for him. I shall tell him he is patented!

    Thank you Izetti for a nice puzzle and Jeremy for the blog.

    Cedric

  21. ….GATH (2 Samuel: 1:20) but after yesterday’s blistering performance I must express my time in positive Kevins.

    After my FOI, I couldn’t get going in the NW quadrant. SOI AFFAIRS got me started, and it was steady progress from there, although I don’t know what I couldn’t see about my LOI on my initial reading !

    FOI SAGA
    LOI SERVICES
    COD STEPS UP
    TIME 1.06K

  22. Started with 1ac and 1d (I’ve been caught out by just S for Saint before) and then biffed Rotten Borough from the initial R, so off to a really good start. After that normality returned, with quite a few answers only slowly coming to mind after a lot of thought. Even so, I still thought a reasonable 25mins was possible, but the SW corner with Plus/Spenser and Smugger/Roulette put paid to that, and pushed me well north of 30mins. I thought 19d Nemo would be my CoD, but in the end 13d Patented gets the nod. Invariant
  23. Guessed Gath and Roulette and had to look up Plus in the book.
    Agree about mysterious happy tenant which I also guessed eventually.
    A long slog today with interruptions.
    Luckily I have been reading Trollope recently so was reminded of Rotten Borough.
    But yes I struggled. Made one or two bad biffs which didn’t help. (‘Biff’ sounds like a 1950s word!)
  24. found this one nice and straight forward doing exactly what it says on the tin- quick cryptic. Under 5 minutes (just) services my LOI.
    Thanks Izetti and blogger
  25. I thought this was a tricky puzzle, with some subtle and clever definitions. In the end I DNF, as I DNK “Gath” as an OT location so it threw me for 1ac and 1dn.

    I also hadn’t heard of 8ac “Rotten Borough” (apart from Private Eye). However – it was stll enjoyable from Izetti.

    FOI – 3ac “Affairs”
    LOI – DNF
    COD – 7dn “Wedding Dress” (been caught out by this before)

    Thanks as usual.

  26. … again.
    I hope tomorrow’s easier.
    Nho DIS – I thought it was spelled with two d’s.
    Diana
        1. If you’re logged in, you can edit your post… Had to fix a typo myself, today.
          1. She can’t edit it now you’ve replied to it … Filbert’s Fork!
        3. If you’re logged in, you can edit your post… Had to fix a typo myself, today.
  27. I agree that this probably shows the gap between the 15×15-ers who do the QC and the likes of me who just meander through the QC most days without setting the timings on fire (or getting much above tepid). Defeated by 2D although realised I must need to take an “er” or an “um” off, or out of, whatever, but didn’t know Gath in any event. Couldn’t see smuggler/smugger. Some worked out from wordplay such as Spenser so not all bad in an otherwise annoying day.
    Plymouthian
  28. Personally, I thought this was a stinker. It wasn’t until 22a thst i got my FOI but I then managed to get the right hand side done before resorting to aids. ‘Letter perfect’ is unfamiliar. Also ‘rotten borough’ and Gath. Ho hum….

    Edited at 2020-06-10 12:15 pm (UTC)

  29. Rather easy for an Izetti I thought with very few hold-ups. NHO the expression Letter Perfect but I had enough crossers by then to be sure it must be. Worked out Gath and then looked it up to make sure as I’d never heard of that either.

    FOI 3ac Affairs
    LOI 2dn Gath
    COD so many to choose from today but I’m going for 1ac.

  30. On speaking to my Dad about the god Dis, he reminded me that the dis of “speaking rudely to” was an abbreviation of disrespect, so it makes sense that it could be spelt with only one S.
  31. We were definitely not on Izetti’s wavelength and had to plumb to depths of our little grey cells to finish it. Determined to avoid a DNF – it took us an toe curling 50 minutes to finish.

    FOI: Soho
    LOI: services
    COD: wedding dress

    Thanks to Izetti and Jeremy. Going for a lie down now 🤪

  32. We were doing quite nicely until we put in rounders for 11d. This caused problems with the sw corner, which increased our time considerably until the penny dropped. Loi gath, which was unknown but couldn’t be anything else.
  33. DNF for me. Couldn’t think what kind of location was OT and being non-religious wouldn’t have known Gath anyway.
  34. I did about half of these clues in 20 minutes, which is amazing for me. The second half came much more slowly as I got stuck on the first half of 8A. Borough was obvious enough but rotten was not! Not being able to see 1A (saga) and 2D (gath) didn’t help that corner. And 20A (letter-perfect) only went in with considerable experimentation, as often happens with double cryptics!

    Took 73 minutes, longer than yesterday, though I did get to the end with some help.

    I hope no one gets put off by the talk of 2 minutes and easy! One a day since lockdown started and I am still very slow… One day I will get to 30 minutes or less, and perhaps even 2 minutes!

    Thanks for the blog, the puzzle and the comments, always good to hear how easy/hard people found it.

    FOI: 3A affairs
    LOI: 2D gath
    COD 3A: affairs and 3D abbess which went in so easily!

    Edited at 2020-06-10 05:21 pm (UTC)

    1. When I first started, some kind person on here pointed out that anything under 2 hours was ‘good’. I’ve come to realise that that was very sound advice.
      1. Very good advice! About an hour is always my goal, but hard to reach a lot of the time. But its fun to try.
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  35. Whilst 5 down was not hard, I felt the definition was wrong. If you are singing harmoniously you are in harmony, which is the opposite of in unison. Simon.
    1. Simon, as somebody has pointed out upthread, one has to think outside the strict musical meanings of the words to get the connection. Figuratively both harmony and unison can be applied when things are in agreement, in accord. Like ‘singing from the same hymn sheet’, to be ‘singing in unison’ and ‘singing in harmony’ effectively mean the same thing although, as you have correctly stated, to a musician the terms mean very different things.
  36. This felt quite tricky as I completed it so was surprised to stop the clock at a respectable 4’40”. Too many candidates to select a COD.

    Many thanks to the Don and Jeremy.

  37. Having completed the puzzle on paper I decided to have a go at getting a good time on the computer. Read the across clues and put in the answers. Didn’t bother reading the down clues – just put in the answers I already knew and it still took me 3.05! So 50% not actually read and 100% pre-solved and still 50% longer than some. I’d be interested in watching a sub 2minute solve to find out what I do wrong…
    1. I’ve never achieved sub-5 minutes so I can’t really advise, but I believe the technique involves consistently being able to solve the next clue whilst you are writing or typing in the answer to the previous one.

      Apart from vaguely hoping to achieve sub-10 minutes each day I don’t attempt high-speed solving and I set myself a handicap of parsing each clue as I go. There’s no great virtue in speed anyway as unless you’re a Verlaine or Magoo there’s always going to be someone faster. Might as well work at one’s own pace and enjoy the ride!

    2. A decent (say 100 wpm) typist who already knows the answers can fill in a 13×13 grid (i.e. Quick Cryptic or Concise) in no more than 30 seconds and a 15×15 grid (i.e. main Cryptic) in no more than 45 seconds, so typing proficiency is most definitely an important skill for fast online solves (if that is one’s priority).
  38. Impossible for me. I’ve done a few Izetti’s and this by far was the toughest. Lets put it down to wavelength.
    Graham
  39. Found this hard but then I’m inexperienced. Don’t believe the times boasted about on here as they are clearly impossible. Just hope other would be solvers are not put off.
  40. I’ve watched Verlaine (and Magoo) live solve a puzzle. He can certainly solve a quickie that quickly.
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